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DavidS  05/20/2011 01:11 PM Report

What a superb interview Charlie drew the best out of Karen. It is a wonderful introduction to Karenherself and the work of historian of religion. Her work is so relevent at the present and she approaches it with wisdom and fluency. It was a joy to watch both attending to one another and responding with deep perception. Thank you.

TruthSayer  02/15/2011 11:43 PM Report

Begone ignorant shade by the two-edged sword of Karen Armstrong

"Islam was a far more tolerant and peaceful faith than Christianity. The Qur'an strictly forbids any coercion in religion and regards all rightly guided religion as coming from God; and despite the western belief to the contrary, Muslims did not impose their faith by the sword." http://www.islamamerica.org/ArticleLibrary/tabid/55/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/13/Default.aspx

Really, putting aside the sanctimonious lyric-waxing of Ms. Armstrong's sadistic apologism for the crimes of Islam and Islamic extremists by the fools commenting on this page, I wonder if she knows anything about, for example, the Ottoman Wars of Europe. I also wonder how the idiots of TED were duped into thinking this fraudstress genuinely wanted to create a Charter of Compassion.

IndianDalit  01/23/2011 06:23 AM Report

Thank you for this Charlie....a beautiful and interesting woman!

Humanity  01/22/2011 09:48 PM Report

A fantastic interview. I have tremendous respect for Karen Armstrong! Thank you Mr. Rose for a fine discussion.

oldsoandso  01/22/2011 08:27 PM Report

Well, I understand what she means and I agree. Empty your mind of yourself. Be humble. Be open-minded. Give up your fear. Keep at it until you experience a revelation. Then you will find compassion.

Thank you, I came back to listen again.

regansrm  01/21/2011 06:24 AM Report

Deserves 4 stars. Erudite, thoughtful, living the "examined life." Thank you for the opportunity to hear her live.

regansrm  01/21/2011 06:22 AM Report

Deserves 4 stars. Erudite, thoughtful, lives the self-examined life. Thank you for the honor of hearing her live.

tolife2life  01/20/2011 09:16 PM Report

Shalom or Salam to all.

You guys are sooooo funny !

Every one speaks as if they really know something (me included, haha...)

I think She has an open mind (NOT a big EGO like most do).

And unlike S. Rushdie, she does have compassion and genuineness.

What do we know of compassion ?

Or in the case of the mr: "REMant" who seems to be a "G" person, where does this compassion fit into this knowledge you speak of?

Its devoid of any feeling, more like a complex machine lecturing to himself :)

I doubt Buddha read "Adam Smith's Theory of Moral Sentiments" but it must be interesting read when one is really bored !

Peace :)

ShalomFreedman  01/20/2011 03:43 PM Report

She really goes off the wall when she talks about loving Osama Bin Laden. Tell that to the relatives of his victims. The example she gives here shows that there is a limitation even to the principle of Compassion. There is a time and a place where doing right means not being compassionate.

ShalomFreedman  01/20/2011 03:40 PM Report

Who can be against people seeking to understand each other, being humble and considerate and compassionate to others? Armstrong is certainly to be commended for trying to educate in this basic human value.

And she attempts to be fair and accepting towards everyone. But she is inaccurate in her historical presentation. Her presentation of the Islamic world is particularly off. She should read a bit of Bernard Lewis and understand that the failure of the Arab world to modernize did not start in 1967 but is a process which has continued for hundreds of years. She should also have pointed out that acts of terror and violence are not equally distributed among the major faiths.

SirD  01/19/2011 06:44 PM Report

Great interview.

seriousvoyager  01/17/2011 01:43 AM Report

I'm sorry. I have read her books. Karen Armstrong is simply a hack when it comes to Christian theology. For Mr. Rose to interject "this is your genius" is absolutely painful.

Ms. Armstrong can offer her opinions, but in the end she is an articulate know nothing. Jesus absolutely presented himself as God incarnate (before Abraham was, I am, etc.) That this passes as theology is so sad for modern day "believers."

Leila  01/14/2011 07:35 PM Report

Thank you so much for having Karen Armstrong on tonight.

Very thoughtful dialogue. Some of the comments on

robdverity  01/14/2011 05:20 PM Report

The persistent seeking of an "authoritative-figure-head" to constantly approve, or-not, of our every move keeps us in a perpetual child-state, crippling maturity and self responsibility. Our very survival demands it. Religion - of any hue - will assure that that will never happen. Amen!

Babsras  01/14/2011 01:04 PM Report

Ther is one life, one humanity. That is allwe need to know - in oursleves and each other is where we find god.

estensma  01/14/2011 12:43 AM Report

I respect her learning but I don't see her practice as much different than anyone else who blows a horn and asks people to step behind her and love one another.

Love is not enough. We are deeply broken and I don't think we can address our brokenness by making a religious comprehensive. It is better to have only one religion.

I don't think that as humans we are (or ever will be) "enlightened" enough to see religious views as something laid out on a platter.

A personal relationship with God is the hardest part to work out; Karen points this out. Coming to have a relationship with God is different and more important than knowing what people who have sought God have done or written.

There will always be God and someone will always grow curious about this God and begin to pray. They will try to understand God and the effect of God on their lives. That is religion and I don't see it as more enlightened to ignore God or religion as ever going away.

The bigger and more important question is who is God, how do we grow closer to God, and how can people believe in God together?

ashcook65  01/13/2011 05:46 PM Report

A wise woman and thoughtful interview. Thank you both. I teach elementary and middle school students in the U.S. and, in my classroom, I model compassionate words and actions, then talk about my decisions to act and speak as I do. I would be open to helping develop compassion-awareness curricula. (ashcook65@gmail.com)

robdverity  01/13/2011 05:37 PM Report

What a wise, straight-forward lady. Truly a life worth living as in: "The unexamined life is not worth living," (Socrates). Leaving the 'nun-hood' for "reason" took a lot of introspection and common-sense wisdom, both anathema to ALL religions. The religion of Darwin is the ONLY meaningful dogma that could assist mankinds' survival. Reverence for the "deity" of life-itself would and will go further than all the murdering religions (singularly or combined) in establishing a working-world-wide-peace.

Instead, we will doubtless immolate ourselves because we address our myths with different names: God, Allah, Jehovah, Buddha, yadda-yadda. Or we face a different set of stones: Kabah, W. Wall, porcelain icons, Buddha statues?

Our species is too dumb to survive - or to deserve it.

Uhmu  01/13/2011 05:23 PM Report

These story's are always sad to look when a person binds herself with the church and ends up an atheist. Kudos that she left, there are a lot of clergy in the USA like that who are atheist and still serving because they don't know what else to do. Great interview.

REMant  01/13/2011 01:13 PM Report

A myth is like Hobbes' or Locke's state of nature, not really historical, but more of a Platonic idea. In essence it describes an education more than an evolution. Faith is loyalty, the status really not of citizens, but subjects, like the players in Downton Abbey. There is a long-standing and widespread belief that misfortune reflects infidelity, which often issues in the ritualistic religious observation we call fundamentalism. You can see this in the OT prophets. When Paul says that charity - properly caritas, the love of God - is of a higher order than faith or hope, he is transcending this world and entering one of belief like the Greek's, but also one that requires self-criticism. It was a disestablishment of religion. All who have it in their hearts can be saved, not just those born Jews and follow the Law. But Paul had his Jewish side and this is religion, not philosophy. On the road to Damascus Paul saw the meaning of the cross, and in that moment founded Christianity, but it had been prefigured in the OT's treatment of sacrifice, which, along with the urge to tempt God's commitment to us, is, I think, at the heart of religious behavior. Margaret Atwood, in her book of lectures called Payback, observes that the words trespass, debt and sin are used synonymously in the several editions of the Bible. Like hubris, they involve taking unto man what is properly the deity's. When in the Lord's Prayer we beg to forgive our trespasses, it means as well the trouble taken for our upkeep, our indebtedness to Him. Since we are always in his debt to prove our worth we are led to sacrifice, but in the story of Abraham, where the covenant with God is introduced, it is also made clear that this need only be a token, that an object or another can assume this burden. In Paul's mind Jesus took over this role. After having said this, however, he spent the rest of his life qualifying it, and we still find it necessary today altho it looks more and more like a lost battle. The whole has more than once been called hypocritical. Islam, on the other hand, is what Christians commonly call Arian, denying the divinity of Jesus, and thus bringing into question his ability to intercede, and one does not imitate His sacrifice, but the manner of the prophet's life, tho we sometimes hear of Jesus treated this way, too. The Germanic tribes were similarly Arian (not Aryan), and there is reason to believe that these notions of faith and sacrifice only arose with the turn from hunting to agriculture and the founding of cities and monarchies, an evolution recorded, however muddled, in the OT. Whether this is the end of history only time will tell, but I'm convinced that we are at the moment blind to the many ways in which this country is engaged in an enterprise future generations are bound to view in the same light as slavery.

I find that I only really understand an argument when I have in some manner lived it, but as for the compassion business, one can also read Adam Smith's Theory of Moral Sentiments.