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robdverity  06/19/2010 06:35 PM Report

spellet - try this.

A particularly cogent observation re the Helen Thomas faux pas. Shamelessly relying on the astuteness of this contributor to USA Today, Malcolm D. McPhee; Sequim, Wash.

"Helen Thomas was certainly insensitive and out of line in stating that Israelis should return to Poland or Germany. However, she did not gratuitously kill anybody, which is more than can be said of Israel. Furthermore, her larger point was quite valid that Israel is occupying Palestinian lands and, I might add, criminally and inhumanely.

"This is America's business because it is primarily U.S. complicity in these crimes that provokes terrorist attacks against us. It is a primary reason Americans are suffering and dying in Afghanistan and Iraq. Israel and its U.S. supporters now urge a U.S. war against Iran and expect U.S. support in any war they provoke.

"Most current U.S. economic, security and military problems are due substantially to these unnecessary or badly managed wars conducted in part to enhance Israel's security.

"The U.S. special relationship with Israel is increasingly becoming a one-way street. If the U.S. is determined to underwrite Israel's security with American blood and money, Israel is obligated to cooperate with the U.S. in seeking peace. If Israel refuses, the U.S. should cut ties with Israel, and then work to impose sanctions on it."

spellettieri  06/17/2010 01:37 PM Report

@robdver - If you honestly believe that the Palestinians live this way because of Israel then you don't have a clue. They repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot by supporting terrorists and corruption.

The US support of Israel is justified if the US wants to combat Jihad and support democracy in the middle east. The Muslim world has always hated the US and what it represents, why give them aid? You would give your intended killers the weapons to kill you

robdverity  06/14/2010 12:17 AM Report

Better to line the pockets of politicians (as if Israel is exempt), than $3 billion grant directly to the IDF so they phosphorous shell Pal. schools.

Our grandchildren get to face debt burdens for years. Adding a nichol more to sustain the IDF kill ratio makes the burden anathema. Economically Israel can handle addition debt better than the US. If they're such a good ally they could repay at least some of the cumulative trillion. But our pols like all pols (PLO or Israeli or US or anywhere) are for sale. The rate of return for Israel is well worth it.

It's truly duplicitous of the Pals to live in their own excrement, deprive themselves of basics, blockade themselves from their own farms, be denied cement, prob., malnourish themselves all to get sympathy. Snivelling bastards.

spellettieri  06/13/2010 10:32 PM Report

@Robdverity - why should the US give more money to Fatah? It just goes to line the pockets of the politicians. Arafat had a billion dollars in his accounts when he died, how do you think he got it? By the way the Palestinians receive BILLIONS of dollars of aid from various Muslim countries around the world. So with a population of maybe 3-4 million and Billions of dollars of aid, don't you think they could move their people out of so-called refugee camps?? It's a fraud and the US shouldn't give them a penny!

spellettieri  06/13/2010 10:27 PM Report

For those who don't know Abbas wrote his doctoral dissertation on Holocaust denial, i.e. he believes the Holocaust is a myth and that those Jews who did die were murdered as part of a Zionist plot to gain sympathy for a state of Israel.It's no wonder the Palestinian people can't get anywhere when they have leaders who are corrupt ideologues. They need a modern voice, but that's asking a lot in the Muslim world.

robdverity  06/11/2010 04:10 PM Report

Deficits as a per cent of GDP: USA 11%; Israel 5.5%.

Rules of good allys: the most economically needy gets assistance. Right?

elena29  06/10/2010 08:18 PM Report

I usually enjoy the show, but it was super frustrating to hear this go on and on. When will the real Palestinians' story get told? They have been cheated by their own for 60 years. I am so sick of hearing about Hamas. Why don't we hear about people who care about their lives, and what they are doing to make a positive difference for their own. The world and US has shifted so much aid$$--where does it go, how is it used? Why don't we hear about that? There are universities in Gaza, where people presumably are pursuing degrees to become engineers, doctors, educators, etc. Apparently some people really want to make a life, and they are working away at it, while others are ruining their own children by teaching them to hate, and we are supposed to understand and sympathize with this evil craziness? We should stop giving the corrupt leaders a platform to gag us with their lies. Regarding the Palestinian leaders shirking responsibility for noble action--I read M.Albright's memoir written with B.Woodward, and also am reading M. Indyk's memoirs--basically M. Abbas proposes that we are to discount everyone else and believe him!?

rostamross  06/10/2010 06:01 PM Report

Great interview. Abbas shows the humanity of his people and the dilemma they face. It is unfortunate Israel with our support tortures and treats Palestinians with such rootlessness and violence. Any conflict is resolved only by negotiation. force and guns only prolongs the conflict and destroys many innocent bystanders.

robdverity  06/10/2010 05:28 PM Report

The $400 million aid to Abbas, relative to the nearly $3 billion annually in military grants to Israel, is emblematic of the political power the Israeli's have over the US. Our venality is made to order for manipulation by anyone with a check book. And why not? Three billion ain't chump-change. Puts Mr Abbas in his place as well. Obama is reduced to lip service. His tokenism is nothing more than a degrading insult. Nothing, would have been less demeaning. Abbas should return it, with the usual, "You need it worse than we do." Which is prob. too close to true. But more-so with the $3 billion to Israel. They don't even have to feign paying it back. It's a grant.

REMant  06/10/2010 02:34 PM Report

A good, logical interview, which shows that Fatah and Hamas are closer together, but I think it is clear from this and reports of his meeting with the president that Abbas remains more inclined to be bought off by the Israelis and US, and that that is still our strategy. Like Father O'Mslley, we always assume that poor, troublesome people just need jobs. Whether Iran is controlling Hezbollah and Hamas or not, Netanyahu either believes they will not give up their resistance to a two-state solution, or he is stalling to increase de facto Jewish presence in the West Bank. It does not seem to me that we are talking about land for peace, ie, returning to the 1967 borders in return for a peace treaty, anymore than we were decades ago, nor frankly do I see how it can be done politically, either on the Palestinian or the Israeli side. Polls may indicate that majority of Israelis may want it, but the governments they elect do not. Abbas tho may think that with the preponderance of population on their side the Palestinians are bound to triumph in the end.

I see, however, that, over the past few weeks, we ARE reaching convergence in the world of ties.