Charlie Rose

todd  05/10/2010 01:38 AM Report

You academics see the sweetness of life because you're all insular. Like the sweet center of an onion, you are so many layers removed from the outer layer that supports your ivory tower view of the world. True academics wrote the books under the sun and candlelight of objectivity itself. You, however, have summoned the mere echo's of a subjective modern day cacophony...you're following your own bouncing ball - not reality. Even Darwinist's fail to see the folly of this anti-evolutionary means of forward progress...we are in a state of atrophy due to our ignorance of the Law of conservation of energy: you must move to maintain balance; not grab onto something...it's our exchange with the primal laws of give and take that supports momentum - not TAKE alone. Redistribution of wealth is when a pioneer of wit and bravery offers another a JOB, not a free ride. Killing the Golden Goose (the enterprising spirit) kills countries at the expense of ideology.

ksjayhawk  04/24/2010 06:56 AM Report

Its really simple. People are angry because they voted for change, not more, bigger, and better bailouts while they lose their jobs and homes, get saddled with mandatory health insurance payments which will only get more and more expensive and which as I pointed out earlier are payments for services they won't be able to access if they can't find a way to come up with the co-payments.

We desperately needed a real democrat in the White House pushing real democratic policies for real people. Instead we got an elephant in donkey clothing. Plans to continue shredding the safety net, dismantle the public school system in favor of private schools, shredding the right to privacy, attacks on unions that would have made his self-admitted object of admiration, Ronald Reagan, proud, continuation and escalation of a war that we can afford only if we let our own country collapse in ruins and debt. A Supreme Court judge who can only be seen as liberal by the most extreme right-winger.

And yes, Neil, his health care plan is the republican plan. Look it up.

The country has moved so far to the right that you basically wouldn't know a real, non-triangulating, truth telling democrat if you saw one and it would probably give this bunch of historians heart spasms.

NeilMacCallister  04/17/2010 05:30 AM Report

Nicely said, Geoff. You describe the current tumult as a conflict between the "politically powerful" and the "Forgotten Man".

But please do not think it has ever been any way but this in America or the world, ..through either the best or the worst of times. Keep your faith that we will continue on!

We vote people into power; and yes, 51% is exactly all it takes, ..and then we are generally nervous for what we have done. It is no different now, than ever before, but I believe that is America's saving grace.

Let's be happy for it.

Are you like me? ..where we fear a loss of honesty? ..I guess that is a bedrock hallmark of America, too, ..eh??

You are right, ..the percentages do say that America's future "cash available" is now threatened to be zero.

But so what if the government implodes, and all the public employees have to go out and get a job? ..Is that a bad thing??

Hey, you want to see something even MORE frightening???

..on page A13 of the 4/13 Wall Street Journal, we have six of the very top-tier "elite" foreign policy experts speaking about Iranian nuclear arms, ..these analysts are very much the historical heavyweights, ..and yet they can not come to an agreement about not only what we should do about the coming nuclear ability, ..but whether Barack's latest proposals, discussions, and treaties have done anything of benefit for the billions of dollars those talks have cost the world.

I believe that helps show that those "elites" are just like us! ..In fact, one guy in an airport toilet stall with a newspaper and his own 'answer to the world', ..is himself an 'elite', right? ..He or she is just like us! In the end, by ourselves, we are ALL very elite. And I am just too glad to see that it still takes that minimum of at least a 51% to pass a law.

That is America, ..let's trust it, ..and see where it goes.

America has LOTS of votes, ..lots of citizens watching closely, ..lots of opportunities to speak out with clarity, as you have.

Let's just hope for the best! ..and see how well the American spirit can enthuse us as a thinking people, ..help us survive, ..and continue to be the most dynamic nation on Earth.

No one really knows if America is in the top of the first inning, ..or the bottom of the ninth.

As always, ..that depends mostly on the remaining energy of the team.

Let's put on our rally-caps, encourage each other to try our best, ..and hope our 'magna cum laud' coach makes a good decision and gets us all a satisfying win!

Geofffinch  04/16/2010 05:24 PM Report

I watched the interview with the 3 prominent historians on Obama's legacy. I was particularly drawn in as your 3 guests began analyzing the popular mood in the US, and the upswelling of raw anger towards the Obama presidency, and several (liberal) politicians.

None of you historian friends seem to be able to put their finger on why the anger: it was not the cloud of suspicion about his birthplace, not the enormouns bailout dollars, not the bloated deficits, not even the health care bill. None gave a good reason for the anger, I thought, and went on to talk about Obama's need for personal and historical validation.

My own two cents is that the Forgotten Man in the street is mad at the permanent political elete class that has taken government by the people and of the people and replaced it with a closed system of favoritism, party cronyism, paid on the backs of US taxpayers who are fed lies and fleeced by every form of tax and fee imaginable, only spend the money to buy votes and daily trample on the plain meaning of the US Constitution.

Two of the top five planks in the "Tea Party" resolution are for a return to constitutional government, not 51% majority democracy as we practice it today.

If I were such a Forgotten Man, I would be hopping mad, too. (Maybe I am.) So why can 3 eminent historians not see this and why can they not say it? (Perhaps it would jeopardize their standing as members of the elete Fourth Estate.)

NeilMacCallister  04/16/2010 03:35 PM Report

"..the neighborhood kid is barred from entering the voucher school.."

History repeats itself, doesn't it?

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Our President is keeping those kids down on the Public School plantation, so as to benefit the pay-package and retirement accounts of the Public Employee teachers, Public Employee administrators, and Public Employee Union leaders.

History repeats itself, doesn't it, Doris?

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By the way, who is the employer that a "Public Employee Union" protects its workers from? ..and defends its members against?

Wouldn't that be us? ..the public? ..the taxpayer?

Are we taxpayers abusing them?

Don't they already make more money than us?

And yet their students can't write a letter, or balance a checkbook.

..or have any idea how to survive in the adult job market (unless they learned that at home!)

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"Let my people free!!!"

Let them go to voucher schools!

Let them work for themselves, and enjoy the real fruits of their lives for themselves!

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The teachers will still be okay, ..they're smart, they're educated.

NeilMacCallister  04/16/2010 03:01 PM Report

No, Kansas, ..the new "Health Services Directive" was a bill written by 60 Democratic senators, driven forward by Ted Kennedy, who had earlier helped President Obama's father through Harvard, and then introduced the son upon the Democrats' stage in 2004 and 2008 as the perfect presidential "upshot". President Obama was born in a petri dish, and raised in prep-schools to be "Ted Kennedy 2: The one who gets to the White House".

The Republican plank on Health insurance, was to tax job-offered health insurance as pay (..which it is) while instituting a $5,000 refundable tax credit to ensure that all citizens could afford at least some coverage.

I don't remember if McCain also expressed the need to remove sales-market boundaries, forcing/allowing the numerous insurance companies to compete with each other to deliver the best-priced product, ..but I expect he would have gotten around to that sooner or later.

As far as doodah's "reaction", ..I have to ask, reaction to what? Is someone stepping on our toes? ..or putting thumbtacks on our chairs??

Modernist poets (..of oooooold!) should write in a desolate 3rd-floor corner of the library, ..not sit at the table writing national policy theory.

I agree with last week's comment that what we need to answer, is not 'righteous anger at an affront', nor some 'never ending clash of political philosophy', ..but more simply just everyday nihilism.

Its too easy to just cuss, flip somebody the bird, and take 14 lollipops from the basket on the way out of the healthcare dentist's office.

Calling others "sickos", ..and self-immolating with "Kill, Kill, Kill!" doesn't really point the way to the ladder up, does it?

From our government, we get what we speak up about, we get what we position with the best argument.

What is our greatest concern? ..Iran? ..Health Services?

Or is it a lack of clarity, direction, and ideas?

A gaggle of $200,000 scientists are right now wrestling with each other over whether we should next be going to the moon, or to Mars, or to this attractive nearby solar system.

I forgot what they said they wanted to do there.

Meanwhile, some kid that wants to go to the high-achieving voucher school in his neighborhood, is now told by Washington that he will not be allowed through those doors.

..that while too many of us have no jobs, ..no prospects, ..no new ideas (except to raise taxes), ..and no one on the stage or page is presenting any seed-kernel ideas for future prosperity.

I apologize if I sound nihilist there, ..I will go get a cup of coffee, and once more dream of nuclear fusion, water desalinization, and synthetic photosynthesis.

matthewjharris  04/16/2010 01:34 PM Report

This was a great discussion! In terms of a guest panel, I cannot think of three people I would enjoy more than Meacham, Ms. Kearns-Goodwin, and Brinkley. Very important that we keep things in historical perspective and realize that not everything has to be "breaking news". Thanks for such a quality panel and discussion.

robdverity  04/14/2010 06:26 PM Report

doodah's reaction is validation and reflective of the country's values. The coarser the verification the more effective its fortification. Sickos top-to-bottom will set our species back to our deserved level. Rampant nukes merely adds to the inevitability. Stupid^2! Kill! Kill! Kill!

ksjayhawk  04/13/2010 09:23 PM Report

Ummm. You DO realize that Obama's healthcare bill is a republican initiative that, at least recently, could be found on the Heritage Foundation website as their proposed policy?

NeilMacCallister  04/13/2010 04:56 AM Report

doodah please,..we're in public. Tighten your belt, comb your hair, ..use a clean sheet of paper, and sharpen your pencil.

I do agree with "robbed of verity" that we are "robbed of diversity" when our general population's means of production (money-in-circulation) is injuriously collected and given over to "bailout" the high-rise rental fees of the collector's friends.

But that is life, ..and no one "promised us a rose garden".

If diversity, and verity, is to return to its rightful place, ..we must just take the time to speak our knowledge, as we see it, ..and hope for the best.

Pessimistically, ..the whole world could collapse, and we would be little worse off than we were 2 or 3 hundred years ago. We've all heard the stories.

Optimistically, ..enough people will instead take the time to recognize that a few people 200 hundred years ago wrote down a great and hard-learned lesson plan, hoping to pass on a few things our long-suffering world has learned really do make things better for us all, ..and if we all now just hold up our end of the whole thing, ..we all just might come to live in something close to "peace and prosperity in our time".

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Hey, ..you want this "burrito grande"? ..I forgot to tell them I don't like sour cream.

I wish you luck.

doodahdaze  04/12/2010 11:13 PM Report

My goodness, robdverity. Is that ALL you got?! Just when are you going to evolve?. Finally. .. The Terrorists Started IT!!! Sitting back and letting them have their way would AND WILL lead to MANY MANY MORE INNOCENT DEATHS!!! (In America and all over the world). .. Talk about a bunch of ignoranussizz in denial, goosestepping to the tune of their own irresponsible know-it-all righteous arrogance; Yet Hello! YOU'RE IN DENIAL! You fucking liberals are confusing your own rectums with G. Bush and Co. (regarding terrorism and oil).

Just a bunch of movie CRITICS! Fucking Bich Faggots.

robdverity  04/12/2010 04:00 PM Report

A deficit waisted on health care is unconscionable, when it could be more wisely spent on the MI oligarchy, Xe (formerly Black Water), lobbying (aka US corruption), Karsai (Afghan corruption), drones and missiles to continue killing Pakistan and Afghan civilians, and bailout money for the financial wise-guys. Killing-because-we-can is much more attuned to our culture than healing-because-it-might-be-humane.

NeilMacCallister  04/11/2010 10:09 PM Report

Just hot air and loose poetry, doodah? ..okay. I guess we can just be happy for what little we have. I really do believe even this is much better than just opening windows and yelling "I'm mad as H*ll, and I won't take it anymore!"

May I now correct my earlier claim that it was "Milton Friedman" who showed up last Wednesday at the 'Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission' to warn us of our impending "national bankruptcy"?

Uhmm, ..Mr. Friedman passed away in 2006.

Looking back at the newspaper, all I could find now was a note of Mr. Bernanke saying that huge U.S. budget deficits threaten the nation's long-term economic health.

I'll keep looking for what I thought I read.

But, I really do wish we could bring U.S. debt topics into discussion, ..and not have pencils immediately thrown at the speaker by Paul Krugman and other guests on these panels.

You know, ..a return to "The freedom of speech and ideas"?

So be it, ..Happy Sunday!

doodahdaze  04/11/2010 03:54 PM Report

A lot of hot air out there.?. The extremist media, unemployment, politicians compromising to a happy ineffectual headache for the worker bees. One guy holding on to his racism, another on to his violence, and she with her fairy-tale optimism. . . and the beat goes on...

Dogs barking into the night air; some barking 'Socialism!'. Others barking 'Revolution!' ... All of them stupid dumb dogs.. woof woof

The interview just ended; no word on the 'Financial' 'Happenings', taking place in time and space, on the President's face. .. So far, so good. Maybe. ... Maybe not.

Wouldn't that be something if it works.

HANCOCK  04/11/2010 10:49 AM Report

I am sick and tired of hearing about racism against Blacks and Mexicans. The fact of the matter is that both races do more to destroy the moral structures of their own races than anyone else; and this so called panel of historians wants unrest so that they can continue to be invited onto talk shows to sell their lies.

Why are there not millions of Chinese Americans, Vietnamese Americans, Japanese Americans and the rest of the East Asian races out slandering the Tea Party movement, and demanding handouts? I will tell why, because they are not racist like Mexicans and Blacks; and they don’t want socialism, and they are actually working and succeeding, rather than asking for handouts!

The fact of the matter is that socialized healthcare clumps everyone into the same pile with the unhealthy individuals whom abuse their health and the system in the first place. The Tea Party is a movement that sees that both Republicans and Democrats are doing all they can to institutional all Americans. It is time our government be held accountable by making them subject to the same rules as they impose on the private sector. I want the local, state, and federal budgets posted on the internet in real time, read only format so that we can see who is wasting what!

I want to know when real healthcare reform will be proposed! Try stripping all the free healthcare form all government officials, employs, both on the job and retired and hand them back what Obama and Congress are forcing on the private sector and you will really see the real angry bullies going to work from the government unions that have caused the healthcare problem in the first place my being lazy slobs, and hypochondriacs abusing their benefits! It is time to put the spot light on the cowards that continue to demand more and more out of the private sector Mr. Charlie Rose.

ccuddihy  04/11/2010 07:54 AM Report

Using the legacy of Obama as a launching point for the corollary point, ... how can he contribute to characterizing U.S.A. of today...

The Historians rightly conveyed Health Care anger is rooted in deeper misgivings about how we are being defined. I believe Obama has a vital role in this special timing for this critical question. He can help solidify a characterization of USA as internally calibrating a New Foundation. That implies recognition (much like a dynamic young man who faces new priorities upon starting a family) that our current demographics require us to be more responsive to our family of citizens; consequently, a Jeffersonian classical Republican ideal of stand-alone self-reliance is has indeed loss relevancy. And secondly, that globally we need to find a identity that stands clearly separate from self-sabotaging isolationism and yet steps back from an authoritarian sense of "our way or the highway". We are, and should be for the foreseeable future, a guiding light in a global context. We should see ourselves as supportive of global agendas and leaders in finding global solutions via cultivating a network of global partners.

Doug implied the underlying political agitation is racial in context. We cannot discount race; however, I think it has much more to do w/ a seminal debate over our national identity, ... and particularly in its global context. Health Care has frighten people into feeling the USA brand is becoming diluted. I disagree, but Obama has failed to register to the people why. The challenge is to get across that Yes, the brand is changing, but no... its not become diluted. It's becoming more relevant.

NeilMacCallister  04/11/2010 05:23 AM Report

Well, go ahead and talk about it, Mr Knox.

Do you think that there is no reasonable cause for disagreement with this administration's sending the nation debt up by 3 trillion dollars in one year? ..or do you agree with the Charlie Rose panel that all distaste from that act, and any national pleading out there to stop such bleeding of America's economic future is nothing more than the jealous envy of mindless racists who only wish that they were "smart enough" to get themselves into that Presidential podium of power, so that they themselves would get to be the ones who could then get to blow all that money on themselves and their political backers?

Is that what you are saying???

richardknox  04/11/2010 03:47 AM Report

Wow,Just reading the comments is startling. Maybe Charlie needs a show about this growing anger and repeated unrest.

I hear it more and more.Now in the Charlie Rose Comments?

Better talk about it Charlie...

ShalomFreedman  04/11/2010 03:47 AM Report

For all its banality this was a startling conversation in what it lacked. There was absolutely no consideration of the President's role in foreign - policy. Doris Kearns Goodwin seems to think that there are no threats to the U.S. anywhere in the world. Radical Islamic fundamentalism whether in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan , Iraq seems to have been completely forgotten about. The Chinese owning of a good share of the American national debt seems also to be forgetten. The going deeper into debt to not necessarily friendly nations is also not discussed.

I would also point to President Obama's alienating friends and seeking to embrace enemies.

There is too all the rhetoric about stopping an Iranian nuclear weapon from coming into place- and no result not even the feckless sanctions promised.

NeilMacCallister  04/10/2010 03:29 AM Report

Oh Charlie, Charlie, ..Is this "New York City College" in 1962? ..You labeled tonight "3 historians on Pres. Obama", ..but it is obviously "3 apparatchiks (Charles at point), plus Mr. Jon Meacham (trying to stay out of the foodfight)". Just as you did last night, with Mr. David Remnick, ..you tonight paraded "racism" as the ONLY reason any thinking American would oppose our President Obama's taking us into the national bankruptcy that Mr. Milton Friedman has pointed out as in our near future should we not soon wake up and dump this coffee. What kind of bagels or cinnamon rolls does your table wish to be presented upon in those "last days" of American solvency?? ..are you just too happy with the wonderful "tingle in your legs" to stop and consider the effects of a national jobless rate of 30%???? Why did I not hear even one person tonight or last night mention our President's most "historic" product of all: A rise in the national debt which is quicker and larger than any rise in 200-plus years! You mentioned "tea party" and "racism" 300 times, ..yet whispered "deficits" or "balance sheets" not even once! Why are you trying so hard to sell the product "Obama"??

ksjayhawk  04/09/2010 09:21 PM Report

A rather basic fact that all these historians keep missing in the midst of their delightful rhapsodies and eloquent soliloquies...

It doesn't do any good to have insurance if you can't afford the co-pay. In fact, that's a rather cruel situation to find oneself and will lead to retaliation in the voting booth.

I don't suppose you'd like to comment on what a wonderful liberal Obama is after today's announcement that he is contemplating a conservative leaning Supreme Court Justice in Kagan or Dawn Johnson's apparent withdrawal which is being attributed to republican anger over her criticism of Bush's use of torture or Obama's march to destroy public education and replace it with a sort of "pay as you go" system? No? I would have been surprised if you had.

REMant  04/09/2010 09:05 PM Report

There seem to be at least two too many Dems here. Doris, the passage of the healthcare bill may yet assure Obama a place in history for an entirely different reason, while the the bank bailouts were paid back with printed money handed them by the Fed. Have you become an admin mouthpiece? The bill is flat-out unconstitutional not simply a betrayal of American values. And so are Social Security, Medicare, the Federal Reserve and the Federal income tax. I would not call FDR's reign coherent either, Doug. But what Obama is talking about re a new foundation and what needs to be done are precisely what his party and admin have not done. Hofstadter was full of malarkey, Jon. If anyone is paranoid around here it has to be magazines like Newsweek and columnists like Colbert King. No rep in recent memory has whacked another over his head with a cane on the floor of the House, but if ppl like Clyburn keep it up I'd guess they'd be candidates. Liberals not only cannot stand criticism, they expect praise. They are engaged in constant love-hate relationships. It is something Tocqueville wrote about brilliantly:

"I know no country in which there is so little true independence of mind and freedom of discussion as in America... In America the majority raises very formidable barriers to the liberty of opinion: within these barriers an author may write whatever he pleases, but he will repent it if he ever step beyond them. Not that he is exposed to the terrors of an auto-da-fe, but he is tormented by the slights and persecutions of daily obloquy. His political career is closed forever, since he has offended the only authority which is able to promote his success. Every sort of compensation, even that of celebrity, is refused to him. Before he published his opinions he imagined that he held them in common with many others; but no sooner has he declared them openly than he is loudly censured by his overbearing opponents, whilst those who think without having the courage to speak, like him, abandon him in silence. He yields at length, oppressed by the daily efforts he has been making, and he subsides into silence, as if he was tormented by remorse for having spoken the truth... Works have been published in the proudest nations of the Old World expressly intended to censure the vices and deride the follies of the times; Labruyere inhabited the palace of Louis XIV when he composed his chapter upon the Great, and Moliere criticised the courtiers in the very pieces which were acted before the Court. But the ruling power in the United States is not to be made game of; the smallest reproach irritates its sensibility, and the slightest joke which has any foundation in truth renders it indignant; from the style of its language to the more solid virtues of its character, everything must be made the subject of encomium. No writer, whatever be his eminence, can escape from this tribute of adulation to his fellow citizens. The majority lives in the perpetual practice of self-applause, and there are certain truths which the Americans can only learn from strangers or from experience... In absolute governments the great nobles who are nearest to the throne flatter the passions of the sovereign, and voluntarily truckle to his caprices. But the mass of the nation does not degrade itself by servitude: it often submits from weakness, from habit, or from ignorance, and sometimes from loyalty. Some nations have been known to sacrifice their own desires to those of the sovereign with pleasure and with pride, thus exhibiting a sort of independence in the very act of submission. These peoples are miserable, but they are not degraded. There is a great difference between doing what one does not approve and feigning to approve what one does; the one is the necessary case of a weak person, the other befits the temper of a lackey. In free countries, where everyone is more or less called upon to give his opinion in the affairs of state; in democratic republics, where public life is incessantly commingled with domestic affairs, where the sovereign authority is accessible on every side, and where its attention can almost always be attracted by vociferation, more persons are to be met with who speculate upon its foibles and live at the cost of its passions than in absolute monarchies. Not because men are naturally worse in these States than elsewhere, but the temptation is stronger, and of easier access at the same time. The result is a far more extensive debasement of the characters of citizens."

robdverity  04/09/2010 06:55 PM Report

Obama sold his soul to Citigroup, Robert Rubin and Larry Summers. On that alone he needs ejecting. Unless he orchestrates incarcerating them, along with the financial wise-guys that got a pass for trashing our system for their yachts and toys. Scumbags that deserve reprisal big time - not bonuses.

charlizecourriers  04/09/2010 03:50 PM Report

These people aren't historians. They are builders-creating a cult of personality. Good luck, comrades!

zlatev  04/09/2010 02:45 PM Report

Meacham did not sound so Right-leaning as typical. I would say that he was more left-leaning then the others. Finally, an intelligent writer who has changed his opinion based on current events, and distance himself from the psychos that are emerging from the far-right.

zlatev  04/09/2010 02:21 PM Report

This was an excellent episode! All the guessed synchronized perfectly and made sense.

ro4freedom  04/09/2010 12:51 PM Report

While your three Historians were interesting, I have to comment on one thing that all seemed to be missing or avoiding. Until recently, the general public has not kept itself up to date on the actual workings of our government and we have no one to blame but ourselves for that. We sat back and assumed that Washington and the rest of the elites in this country were working FOR us. WE thought these people actually would LISTEN if we had a concern. We assumed that they knew more about our Constitution and Democracy than we did and that they were playing by the rules. WE all became complacent and just let Washington do what we thought was their job. However, since the inception of a more expansive form of communication through various forms of telecommunications, many of us were beginning to get the feeling that maybe, just maybe, we were missing something important. WE started to LISTEN a little more carefully to news coming out of the MSM and Washington but for some reason it began to sound a little too much like canned messages and deception. Obama was elected on the message of Hope and Change, yet we didn't actually understand what that was going to mean. He promised transparency and we took that seriously. NOW, we have awakened and we do see Washington and the elites for what they are. We can fact check nearly every piece of information that is being fed to us and many of us don't like the undertone. Many of us have actually READ the Bills, which we couldn't easily do before. As we began to speak out on issues, the media and many in Washington decided to either turn a deaf ear or attack us as being un-American for questioning. Mr Meachem says he is concerned about the level of anger, yet he avoids the real reason and tries to blame it only on race. Race may be a factor, with some, but the core issue here is that the silent majority has awakened and we don't like the way Washigton does OUR business. The Healthcare debate and passage has exposed all that is wrong with Washington and we are now determined to change that. The level of corruption, backroom deals, spending money we don't have, lobbyists out of control, arm twisting, selling souls for political gain, half truths and outright lies and on and on have angered the public to the extent that we find it hard to believe anything that comes out of that hellhole has any value to the American way of life as we have known it. Pelosi promised to drain the swamp, Obama promised to clean up Washington, remove the iron hand of lobbyists and a whole host of others joined in with 'let's blame everything on the other side'. Well, we have seen the light and it isn't pretty. Common, everyday Americans are saying THAT'S ENOUGH and we will hold EVERY Politician accoutable from now on. That's were the anger is coming from and it's frightening only because Washington and the rest of the elits who run this country are still clinging to the idea that THEY KNOW BEST and we should just SHUT UP and SIT DOWN. I think we are going to see a much angrier America before we see it calm again and we are ALL to BLAME for that. This country belongs to THE PEOPLE, ALL THE PEOPLE and we are determined to be HEARD and not dismissed. WE may not agree on everything, but if we can't be heard with our voices, we will be heard at the ballot boxes.