Jonathan Cole

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Jonathan Cole professor at Columbia University, author of the book 'The Great American University'

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    1. SharkswithfrikingLazers  03/23/2010 11:37 PM Report

      CHARLIE ROSE: Talk about teaching as a quality of a university, and is it prized? Is it appreciated? Is it nurtured?

      This question implies that it is not and the implication is correct. Teaching is a BIG JOKE at research universities at the undergraduate level. Students would be better served watching Charlie Rose than the graduate students who they get as professors. Then there is the adjunctification of academia.

      Note to Charlie: this was a great question that deserved a follow-up.

    2. charlizecourriers  03/03/2010 12:35 PM Report

      Just another Upper West Sider who knows what is best-which is, just what he does. More vague b.s. from the Tenure Club!And Charlie knows an endless supply of them, but does he know anyone who has a different perspective? You know, people who actually think outside the mediocre club of boring Democrat liberals.

    3. doodahdaze  03/03/2010 05:47 AM Report

      Did I just hear the 'good' professor say at, 10:00 mins. into the conversation, that he doesn't have a problem with teaching Iranians how to build nuclear bombs.?. Yes I did. Which just confirms what I already knew. 20 years ago I met a young Iranian (nice guy) (but he was just starting to come to grips(rationalizing the best that he could) that 'women' "are people too"). Well he was here, to attend one of those 'GREATEST' universities in the world, he was majoring in the Nuclear sciences; because he was very intelligent (for an Iranian). Too make a long story short, the last I heard, he fell in love with an American girl, she broke up with him. So after he learned everything he needed to know (to do the business of Nuclear 'sciences') he went back to Iran (where people won't laugh at him while he's trying to eat his raw chicken hearts).

      20 years ago; I often wonder if he is now a buddy of Presisent Ahmuhdimmuhjohn.

    4. ShalomFreedman  03/02/2010 11:19 PM Report

      There is a danger to the American university system not mentioned by Jonathan Cole. This is the radical politicization, the bias to the extreme Left in many universities. Another form of dangerous politicization occurs most egregiously in Middle East Studies Departments. Objective scholarship as Martin Kramer points out in his survey of Middle East Studies Departments is seriously comprised by the often Saudi endowed club of biased scholars.

      The hateful attempt to intimidate supporters of Israel which is occurring now on a number of U.S. campuses is further evidence of this.

    5. doodahdaze  03/02/2010 05:01 PM Report

      And yet the Germans are STILL some of the greatest craftsmen in the world. Their products are the finest made products in the world. Where do they learn their value of QUALITY? Without 'THE GREATEST' universities in the world. Why are standards so low in the country that has 'THE GREATEST' universities in the world? What's wrong with your arithmetic? What's it like to be a millionaire? Professor. Can Gilligan have a banana? Professor.

    6. REMant  03/02/2010 12:33 PM Report

      Nonsense, where are the faculty members going to come from if you don't teach undergrads? Or the money to pay their salaries? What point is there in having all these great discoveries if you have an ignorant public? Most students never have any contact at all with these exalted beings. Then there is the rating system, which rates the institutions like brands or stocks allowing them to attract the best students and faculty and obtain the most funding from alumni and the government, none of which, however, has anything to do with educating the people. As I said several weeks ago here, academic freedom didn't result in freedom of speech, it paid professors to shut up, which they have, except, of course, to ask for more money. If they are doing so much good work, why do they need so much outside funding? Is basic research so undervalued? If so, why would that be if not because the public do not know enough to appreciate it? So to whom is this book addressed? This is the kind of argument the K-12 ppl constantly make, resulting in bloated bureacracies and persistent under-achievement. The Columbia president's $1.5 million salary is entirely symptomatic of what is happening in higher ed and to the country as a result. A new "scholasticism" has taken hold of higher ed, where only careers and brownie points are of importance. Too, there is no way that anyone can argue American universities do humanities better than Europe. Or that the "social sciences" are of value to anyone except their proponents, and the journal publishers. Even in the case of science and technology, the countries of Europe, China, Japan, and many others nowadays, apply it much better than we. Instead of pleas for more govt handouts, why don't you educate the people who will have to pay the bills? This tendentious interview, BTW, reminded me of listening to Hamilton Berger.