Charlie Rose

ibel  10/18/2009 07:40 AM Report

To Christopher:

"Ready to create a state'? LOL

Let me know when Fatahland makes peace with Hamastan.

To Anton

ANF after ww2, Germany lost territotory and 2 million Sudeten Germans ('refugees') had to move.

all absorbed and settled.

(and of course 10+ mkillion in the 1947 India/Pak Partition)

in fact all OTHER post ww2 refugees Except palestinkians were absorbed and settled

Christopher  10/01/2009 04:35 AM Report

Good interview. He looked like he was ready to create a state. Also, you feel that he controls very meager resources; the Palestinians are such a nothing when compared to the economic and military might of Israel, and are really at their mercy.

owldog  09/25/2009 12:23 PM Report

THE ISRAELI FEDERATION of STATES

The United States of Israel

The situation in Israel and her Territories must change. The people must be freed from violence, oppression and conflict. We must think outside the box and introduce new solutions and ideas, for peace, prosperity and happiness. Having read many books on the Israeli-Palestinian history and conflicts, I have some ideas.

We must think in terms of a many-State solution. If the U.S.A. is to be a model of democracy, so too can our Federal system be a model for the structure of government.

We begin with what the two sides want. Israel wants security and a homeland and a Jewish State. Palestinians want a homeland and human rights. Israel controls the economic, military, and utility infrastructure of all her territories for security reasons, and has stated a desire to keep Palestinians without a military system of their own. Palestinians want their homeland and self-determination above all.

These things can all be achieved if Israel sees herself as not "one State" but a federation of several or more States, each State having its own local ordinances and residency requirements, economies, laws, etc., The United States of Israel. Palestinians then must be residents [citizens] of their own State(s) (i.e. Gaza; West Bank) within a Federal system, which would be one with the United States of Israel. All citizens of the U.S.I. would only be subject to civilian law. Military law (such as presently maintained for Palestinians in the West Bank) would be banned for all citizens of the U.S.I., and the residents of each respective State within.

Greater Israel would become the United States of Israel: Israel proper; West Bank (Samaria & Judea); Gaza; Golan; Jerusalem district; etc.

"Israel proper" (other names can be suggested) can continue to be a Jewish State, per se, requiring residents to provide proof of ethnic while the Federal government can be secular.

However, there would be free movement between the States of Israel, and non-Jewish people of other States might be able to own land or businesses in Israel proper, without being residents, and vice versa with regard to the other States. There must be a constitution granting full human right and priveleges to all in the Union, while affording each State to form its own cultural and residency requirements. The military would be Federal, but each State would have its own police, and local law enforcement. All residents of all States would be eligible to join the Military Services, etc.

Each State would have its own "right of return" policy.

Judeo-centric laws, priveleges, agencies, etc. would no long be part of the Federal government, but would be administered and funded, per se, only by the "Jewish State" (being called "Israel Proper" in this context)

The details of such a plan must be worked out with the parties, but no one would be forced to relocate. Jewish settlers would simply have to conform to the new law of the State in which they live or leave. There would be many Federal cases in the beginning to judge whether settlers have gained their land legally, or could make compensation or payment to remain where they are, for instance.

A parliament of representation and balance of power between branches of government, must be formulated to give fair representation, without the possibility of one ethnic group dominating the U.S.I.

It is entirely possible that historically, Israel, the Jewish State, could have taken a different course, and could have been established and built without the war and bloodshed of 1947-48 and the years following to the present. We cannot turn back the clock. However, we can admit to the failure of peaceful coexistence in the past 60 years or so, and try to make a new beginning, as it were.

Israel is an empire, like it or not, and must re-Constitute itself as such, for administration purposes, if there is to be peace and prosperity, for the Middle East, and for the world.

AntonGrambihler  09/24/2009 12:24 AM Report

Britain and France gave land belonging to Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany on Sep 29, 1938. On Sep 3, 1939 2 days after Germany violated the Munich agreement, Britain and France declared war on the Nazis and forced them to surrender.

The UN gave land belonging to the Palestine People to the Terrorists that rose up against the British Mandate of Palestine. The terrorists call this land Israel. This Israel has been in violation of the UN Resolution for years.

The way forward is for the UN to returned the land confiscated from the Palestine People back to the Palestine People and demand that their "Right Of Return" is not hindered.

In addition the UN needs to begin an International court to try and prosecute the War Criminals in the United States and Israel who were involved in the Slaughter of the Lebanese and Palestine people.

robdverity  09/23/2009 07:22 PM Report

Can't improve on that. Hear, hear!

REMant  09/23/2009 11:37 AM Report

He is absolutely right. Leaving aside the claims to sovereignty, if the Israelis and the Palestinians are going to live together, they are going to have to be the kind of ppl who CAN live together, and no doubt leaving them penned up like animals, and taking more of their land away does nothing to promote this. And I think the president's change of tack makes sense too. There's no point in continuing to argue about the shape of the table.