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April  03/22/2009 10:51 PM Report

Regarding "taxpayers money" I keep hearing Arabists' singing, just wondering, Are these Arabists bigots taht "wooried' about OUR TAXPAYING MOENY to ARAB MUSLIM COUNTRIES like: JORDAN, EGYPT, PAKISTAN, AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, etc.?

If you ask me, of course I understand why we give to all these countries, as part of our war on Islamic terror to have the suport of these governments that fight a radical force that seeks to Jihadize the world under their dream of all out reppressive CALIPHATE.

Then Israel is no different in this as a recipient, nevermind the help they give us all in intelligence, and don't give me that propaganda tale that Islamists issue is only with the Jewish state...

April  03/22/2009 10:43 PM Report

Terrorists - justifier Rashid Khalidi has a "new" book - yet he's the same old "average Arab racist"

Rashid Khalidi (on c-span 2, books) (Author: 'Sowing Crisis') wants us to believe that Islamic republic of Iran is "not" linked to the terror organizations: Hamas, Hezbollah and that these groups have "legitimate" concerns.

Desperate as he is to act as if he's on a 'research' row and making a show of someone who's really "looking at the region from a broader angle", he did talk at first quite smoothly, dancing around and mentioning "other" problems we the USA have (supposedly) created in the region, like Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran (no, he didn't mention Carter's role in indirectly overthrowing the Shah, that led to the current Islamofascistic totalitarianism), you almost thought that Rashid might really be an academic, in the real sense of the word.

But as an average Arab Muslim "academic" he can never escape his burning Arab-racism against the Jews, though polishing his way to the maximum, he had to come to his essential venomous point, all in all, his punch line is really, the same old hateful cliche theme, "It's all Israel's fault", especially towards the end, when he was asked some questions, you could see how he was "lit" as if by a switch that turns on the Arab "moderates" hatred flames - they can never seem to resist, and fall into it each and every time.

To his credit, most Arab propagandists are less patient... you don't have to wait even that long to see their outbursts.

It was a small room, filled by either Arabs, or the gullible, one Arab "American" journalist is even a brazen open Jihadists-Hamas-Hezbollah supporter, none has asked about his propaganda statement that Iran fears Israel's nukes - as a "reason" for why they might be pursuing nuclear weapons, no one has asked the obvious: Did (democratic) Israel ever threaten to wipe out (oppressive) Iran like the Islamic fascist genocidal Republic did? or did Israel ever attack Iran like Iran attacked Israel via Hezbullah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad?

Never mind his Pro-Jihad statement defending Hamas, Hezbollah, portraying them as "political" movements with "concerns", and no one was refuting him - pointing to the true nature of these Jihadists that openly declare their real goal - to erase Israel.

If you were to turn in towards the end, all you could hear is repeated word "occupation", more than a few times... (as you know), all crimes under the sun are all washed by this excuse, used by the children of Arab immigrants, (that have invaded the land of Israel - "Palestine," since the 1800's), and is being heard by him, as by any Arab "journalist" like a spiral.

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Related:

Khalidi's New Book and Old Story

http://myrightword.blogspot.com/2009/03/khalidis-new-book-and-old-story.html

Solomonia Archive: Columbia Watch: Rashid Khalidi On the other hand, this is Rashid Khalidi, and he does represent Columbia ... .

http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archives/009032.shtml

Rashid Khalidi's Appointment at Columbia University...

http://www.danielpipes.org/1234/rashid-khalidis-appointment-at-columbia-university

Jan 20, 2009 ... Hamas's Academic Cheerleaders [incl. Hamid Dabashi, Rashid Khalidi, Fawaz Gerges, Joseph Massad, Muqtedar Khan, Mark LeVine, et al.

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/6708

Camera-Ready Victims [incl. Rashid Khalidi]: Hamas practices human sacrifice; the world shrugs. - Campus Watch.

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/6622

winter  03/08/2009 01:49 PM Report

"IfAmericansOnlyKnew" is the website if you seek truth beyond what American media heads will allow. This red herring of "missles" launched into Israel is laughable and just another way for zionists to get more of their ink into the debate. Those "missles" are mere fireworks compared to

the devastation Israel has leveled into Gaza, killing thousands ...thousands. And those fireworks are reactions not institigations to the apartheid Gazans are made to live under. Food, medical supplies prevented from entering all to facilitate the long term plan of removing them. And all for some religious fanatics in the settlements. American support for Israel is finally waning; we can start by getting back some of the 3 billion dollars a year taxpayers donate to them.

earthlover  03/08/2009 11:32 AM Report

How refreshing, great interview. Obama, get this man as an advisor.

Christopher  03/06/2009 08:08 PM Report

Great interview. Great guest. I don't agree with his take on Iran. I don't think that Arab leadership is ready for democracy and uses Israel as a scapegoat to remain in power. If that regime does get nuclear weapons, I expect an Israeli airstrike.

Nevertheless, Khalid appears extremely honest in his interpretation of events in the Middle East, and especially useful in presenting how thoughtful educated Arabs view US involvement in the Middle East. And also, he correctly surmises how a lot of people feel that the Gaza operation lasted too long and was overkill. A hopeless situation all around.

trevorfairweather  03/06/2009 07:09 PM Report

Well that must be a new record. Within 5 minutes Khalidi manages to completely discredit himself by claiming a moral equivalency between the US and the USSR thus giving the remainder of the show the appearence of a Colbert style satire. So long as Israel has enemies like this guy they will never need friends in academia.

tartufe  03/05/2009 11:28 PM Report

A commentor on second quip (below the line), Augustus Atkins, offered this:

"I advocate giving the entire populace of Israel 48 hours to vacate, and then make the entire region unlivable for 1000 years, after which time I would do the same to the Vatican, and Mecca And Medina."

tartufe  03/05/2009 11:20 PM Report

President of the UN general assembly claims Israel is committing genocide

The United Nations General Assembly in session (file photo)On Tuesday, Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann, President of the United Nations General Assembly, condemned Israel's attack on the Gaza Strip saying, "The number of victims in Gaza is increasing by the day... The situation is untenable. It's genocide." Over 1,000 Palestinians have died since the bombings began on December 27, 2008 and over 4,300 have been injured.

Gabriela Shalev, Israel's ambassador to the UN, called d'Escoto an "Israel hater" for having hugged Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president. Israel claims it began bombarding Gaza to eliminate rockets being fired by Hamas and Palestinian fighters inside the Strip.

"You have to attack problems at their root cause and the Palestinian people have been subjected to subhuman treatment for decades and this [the Israeli offensive] is going to make matters worse," added d'Escoto.

Sources

Martin Fletcher and Sheera Frenkel "War in Gaza: Hopes rise for an end to conflict as death toll passes 1,000". Times Online, January 14, 2009

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1,300 Palestinians and 13 Israelis killed - Scale of Gaza destruction emerges

The full scale of devastation in Gaza following Israel's three-week offensive is becoming clear, after both Israel and Hamas declared ceasefires.

UN official John Ging said half a million people had been without water since the conflict began, and huge numbers of people were without power.

Four thousand homes are ruined and tens of thousands of people are homeless.

More than 1,300 Palestinians killed

13 Israeli deaths

More than 4,000 buildings destroyed in Gaza, more than 20,000 severely damaged

Tens of thousands of Gazans homeless

Read full story from news.bbc.co.uk

quito  03/05/2009 05:41 PM Report

ShalomFreedman, you prove my point.

You can argue till kingdom come. There is no light at the end of your tunnel, you're running towards a wall with a bright spot painted on.

You can make all the arguments you want, with all the good reasons delivered to you by your government, or by your religion, or by your own interpretation of your past.

I'm not saying on the other side are innocent angels. I see stupid Arabs deal with stupid Jews (throw in the Americans and the Europeans for fairness); and the outcome is disaster for all.

There are good reasons to kill Jews if they behave like Nazis and keep you jailed for generations and blow up your kids and your parents, there are good reasons to kill Palestinians who shoot bottle rockets at you and kill your child, there are good reasons to kill Iraqis, or Hindus or Mohammedans, or Kain or Able. Bin Laden had good reasons to kill Americans.

This is all fucking nonsense, old as humanity. I never met anyone not capable to justify his own shit.

I'm saying it's more than time to open our eyes and look.

There is an other way. There always is.

Use your brain not to justify your point, use your intelligence to explore into your own heart for solutions which are fair to all, which don't victimize and condemn. You only can win if all win.

Don't just look at the other side from where you stand and maybe always stood, look at your own standpoint too, and question it too. How would you feel and act in other people's shoes?

Realize that to chose sides is the root of the problem not the solution.

Mirror  03/05/2009 04:55 PM Report

Brilliant interview. The best i heard so far about that region and its fraught history. What a relief to hear a sober take.

ShalomFreedman  03/05/2009 03:09 PM Report

I do not know if this site encourages debate and dialogue. But I would in any case like to respond to two comments made on it. One is by someone called Quito who said that I have an inability to look to the other side. That's not true for in fact I have been for over thirty years now simply looking but listening very closely to the other side. Much of what I hear now and have heard through the years is not very encouraging. It is usually hate- filled calls for Israel's destruction and it comes from almost all Arab media. But I believe what you really mean is you sense that I, or we in Israel have no feeling for the suffering of the other side. That is not true. And in fact Israel has made countless efforts to help the Palestinians, to move them to better relations with us. I am not speaking simply about withdrawals from territory but also all kinds of economic benefits and incentives. You probably do not know that hundreds of thousands of Arabs who are not Israeli citizens because they have chosen not to be , receive economic and social benefits from Israel. Fundamentally though the Israeli people are not a people of haters, and would be happy if all could live in well-being and prosperity.

As to the second commentator one called Tartuffe he has bought the wrong numbers. The Israeli authorities do not like the Palestinians throw propaganda numbers at the popular press. Their figures come later and after careful checking, one by one. They show that two- thirds of those killed in the Gaza operation were combatants. This of course does not mitigate the tragedy for those who have suffered it. The deaths and the suffering are horrible . But the Hamas people who put their installations among the people, and like good terrorists actually wanted more civilian casualties so that they could dupe the world into believing their 'cruel Israel' mantra, are the ones responsible. Israel has an obligation to defend its citizens, and this is what it did in the operation in Gaza. The U.N. by the way retracted its charge as to the shelling of the U.N. school.

The whole conflict is regrettable and painful. It is well to remember that its essence is the Arab refusal to accept a Jewish state. What is to be hoped is that somehow the other side will come to that understanding that the Israeli people came to long ago. i.e. Peace is in the best interest of both peoples.

spellettieri  03/05/2009 02:37 PM Report

Khalidi is an intelligent man and well spoken, but I would have to say he falls into the Arab victim/blame game that is so common. I do agree with him on the point that the superpowers both regional and global have played games of self-interest in the middle east to the detriment of many countries. However we cannot give Syria, Hamas, Hizbollah and Iran a free pass. They have engaged in terrorism and are disgusting regimes that we should neither trust nor give any respect.

I would also add to the comment that was made about Israel not wanting to make peace. I find that quite ridiculous. How can Israel negotiate for peace when the ruling faction (Hamas) is dedicated to the destruction of Israel and fires rockets into civilian territory hoping to kill anyone they can? Are these the people that we should sit down with and trust? Only a fool would do such a thing.

winter  03/05/2009 01:21 AM Report

By now you'd have to be fool to think Israel has any intentions of negotiating for peace or ever did. Its laughable to think diplomats are still floating that past the public while new settlements never stop being constructed in lands anyone knows would be part of an agreement. AIPAC surely has us under its thumb in every way imaginable. On Iran: Are we being taught how to think or is there any objective viewpoint that Iran may actually want nuclear for the power and not the bombs. That formulation is never even posed by our journalists. Its always, 'are they developing nuclear? ...its bombs!" Like we were all Archie Bunker.

amoghadd  03/05/2009 12:59 AM Report

Fantastic interview. Very objective. I wish there were more discussions about the suffering of the civilian Palestinians who have been deprived of basic rights for many decades, & what can be done to bring justice & long-lasting peace to the middle east.

tartufe  03/05/2009 12:33 AM Report

Missed this and can't get the video to respond.

Did he emphasize the 1300 killings by the Israeli army? One third of them children. Many children burned by phosphorus shelling, bombing of two schools. Only 13 Israelis killed by bottle-caliber rockets in comparison. Israelis continuing their 100:1 arrogant slaughter and oppression. Hamas' sentiments after half century of grinding oppression is understandable. Only human reaction to inhuman acts.

hrc  03/04/2009 11:15 PM Report

It's always a great pleasure to have Rashid on, though he must be weary of our country's inflammatory Mideast policy. I guess our Mideast policy is oil at all costs and to that end support of Israel as our base of military operations in the region. I have seen no change in course with this new administration other than an envoy here and an envoy there. That fosters communication, but it's still at the point of a gun.

quito  03/04/2009 05:11 PM Report

Great interview with some fresh ideas, actually just some common sense; Charlie has bit trouble to stay open and follow a path a bit off the old wisdom.

I get a kick out of the first predictable comment below. No capacity to look through the eyes of the other side.

America is not as saintly as she portrays herself, nor is Israel.

If we play the old blaming game we can go back to Adam and Eve and we will never reach a fair peaceful solution.

Obama knows how to step over the gap; he showed how with his speach which transcended the hoopla over race and the black church.

We live today; we all share the same humanity; we need to find a solution which is fair to everyone. No losers, all winners. It won't work otherwise; and actually it's easy if we open our eyes and stop dreaming the old nightmares. ShalomFreedman is plain wrong, there is no future in his thinking.

ShalomFreedman  03/04/2009 01:47 PM Report

This interview opened with Rashid Khalidi rewriting the history of Cold War American involvement in the Middle East. For Khalidi the U.S. and the Soviet Union were morally equal antagonists whose activities prevented the indigenous peoples from attaining the Democracy they so longed for. This view is absolutely ridiculous to anyone who has even the slightest knowledge of the past one- thousand years of Middle Eastern backwardness. As for the moral equating of the U.S. with the Soviet Union, the country which more than any other stands for Freedom with one which was Totalitarianism in essence, this shows how warped Khalidi's basic perception is.

Khalidi then goes on to take on the Iranian- U.S. relationship. He argues that what the U.S. should do is negotiate with Iran, and if these negotiations turn out unsuccessful learn to live with a nuclear Iran. He does not go into what a nuclear Iran might mean for the Middle East as a whole. In general Khalidi ignores the fundamentalist character of the Iranian regime and its heavy involvement in Terror operations throughout the world.

Khalidi closes with a blanket and false indictment of the U.S. media in regard to the violence in Gaza between Hamas and Israel. His claim that the media did not report on the casualties of the Palestinians in Gaza is absolutely false. Along with this was his totally false representation of what this conflict was about. He of course did not mention the thousands of missiles the Palestinians have fired into Israel. Nor did he mention that 'Hamas' has in its charter and as its first principle the goal of destroying Israel. d

All in all Khalidi is a not very sympathetic character. He is abrasive and quite dogmatic. He does not seem to have even a slight hint of a sense of humor. And he does mislead, again and again and again.

Why can't Charlie Rose have occasionally on his show real Middle Eastern experts such as Barry Rubin, Michael Oren, Martin Kramer, or a host of others who really have an insight into what is going on in the region?