Charlie Rose

poet_for_a_day  02/17/2009 01:48 AM Report

Everyone talks the same

Getting close but what not say

You cannot see

The forest through the trees

A single club

All look like thugs

A single love

You see the thugs

Now you don’t

Now you see them

Christopher  02/13/2009 03:51 PM Report

Great discussion again. I really tune in to any Middle East news from Charlie Rose, great debate. I agree with a comment by ShalomFreedman that Avraham was interupting in this segment though Avraham does make the point that US involvement is critical to contain the Israeli hawks(ie one state solution) in the "peace process".

I just want to point out the incredibly healthy debate in Israeli society. The range of views is truly all encompassing. I agree with Sam Lewis that no solution is visible. At the risk of sound anti-Arab, I do not think there can be peace until there is a true unity government in Palestine. Also, the expansion of Israel in the West Bank is unacceptable to all Palestinians and most of world opinion.

AdamKhan  02/12/2009 07:29 PM Report

Long live Leon!

tartufe  02/12/2009 06:26 PM Report

The intractability of this is grindingly depressing when couched in terms of generations. The mutual hatred would doubtless run a power plant.

Googled generation definition in years. Varies but 30 seemed to surface. Even if peace were achieved today, how many generations would it take to work out the poisonous hatred held by each side.

Even at a modest three generations plus time to work out an agreement, another century will have to pass at an optimistic minimum.

Now throw religion into the mix. The only thing holy will be feces.

REMant  02/12/2009 04:34 PM Report

The main points here I think have made before and should be new to anyone. The 2-state solution is in considerable jeopardy from Hamas and Hezbollah and the next move has to be to strengthen Israel's ties to the Sunni's - called the more rational ppl here - in particular Syria. But it still will require removal of the settlements, and something constructive about resettling the Palestinians, which no one wants to do, as well as, dealing with the more radical elements. A one-state solution would undoubtedly mean the end of Israel as we know it, but their behavior has left little or no choice, and the best they can hope for is either the status quo or a workable UN peace-keeping force with limited autonomy.

patriceweber  02/12/2009 03:00 PM Report

Thanks Charlie to invite at your table a voice of reason in the person of Avraham Burg.

Reality based analyses are too few in the US and are often dismissed by angry name calling, as the post from "ShalomFreedman" illustrates perfectly.

Sincerely

ShalomFreedman  02/12/2009 02:18 PM Report

Where did Charlie Rose dig up Avraham Burg for this discussion? He is one of the most discredited and disliked people in Israel with absolutely no public standing.He was also extremely rude in the discussion, interrupting all the time. His disgusting unfair attack on Avigdor Leiberman is yet another display of the kind of treasonous behavior which has made him a persona non grata in Israel. Leiberman is in fact for a two- state solution in which he would transfer a heavily populated Arab part of Israel to an Arab state. It took a decent Leon Wieseltier and Marty Peretz to indicate that the Palestinians hatred of and desire to destroy Israel is at the heart of the conflict.