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08/13/2007
Mark Halperin, Jay Carney, Paul Burka, Jim VandeHei
A discussion about Karl Rove's resignation
A discussion about Karl Rove's resignation with Mark Halperin Editor-At-Large of Time, James Carney Washington Bureau Chief of Time, Jim VandenHei Executive Editor ofThe Politico and Paul Burka Executive Editor of Texas Monthly.
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re: David's comment --- "He looks like a 'nice guy' "??!? What does that possibly mean? Since when do 'nice guys' run politicians? I guess you're being ironic...
Bush Brain you say. A brief synopsis. We have Richard Clark who resigned from office in 2003, Colin Powell resigned his post in 2004. Then we have Libby charged with a 5 count indictment in 2005, Donald Rumsfeld resigned his post in 2006 amidst another Republican Ethical Scandal. Timing is everything. And now we have Karl Rove resigning this month of August, 2007 after completing the slide in just under the radar. Karl Rove should have been indicted right along with Libby in 2005 for his role in the leak of the Valerie Plane case and I think Karl Rove played a bigger role in more than just the innocent architect of the Bush political machine. Interesting that Halperin used the word puckish, (mischievous) in describing Karl Rove. The family always beckons when they resign and somehow the tired, beaten down Karl Rove always seems to be smiling all the way through it all. I think it fits in part the Halperin description of Karl Rove as he played the game of political deceit quite effectively although I would not say he is all that smart. I would say we were all that duped.
Bushâ??s Brain you say. A brief synopsis. We have Richard Clark who resigned from office in 2003, Colin Powell resigned his post in 2004. Then we have Libby charged with a 5 count indictment in 2005, Donald Rumsfeld resigned his post in 2006 amidst another â??Republican Ethical Scandalâ??. Timing is everything. And now we have Karl Rove resigning this month of August, 2007 after completing the â??slide inâ?? just under the radar. Karl Rove should have been indicted right along with Libby in 2005 for his role in the leak of the Valerie Plane case and I think Karl Rove played a bigger role in more than just the innocent architect of the Bush political machine. Itâ??s interesting that Halperin used the word â??puckishâ?? (mischievous) in describing Karl Rove. The family always beckons when they resign and somehow the tired, beaten down Karl Rove always seems to be smiling all the way through it all. I think it fits in part Halperinâ??s description of Karl Rove as he played the game of political deceit quite effectively although I wouldnâ??t say he is all that smart. I would say â??weâ?? were all that â??dupedâ??...
I don't know. He looks like a nice guy.
I am a little surprised that people seem to think that Karl Rove will simply drop out and write a book (even a book attempting to redeem his and Bush's legacy). If he is such a political animal, I would suspect that he has big *political* plans, no matter how much he denies that he will help any particular candidate, no matter how tired he is, no matter how much wants to see his family. Surely, he will be very active working for the Republican party. Surely, he has big ideas on how to try to turn things around in terms of who has what political power. And yet I don't hear anyone speculating about this. Does anyone agree with me?
Rather than waste time over cliched claims about Rove's suppose political genius, I wish we'd had time to explore the last statement by Paul Burka of the night. He shockingly said that Bush and Rove's biggest political adversaries in Texas was the religious right. This stands in stark contrast with the religious right being his biggest supporter during the Bush presidency. Charlie, if you are reading this, please either explain it with another guest or invite him back to do so. I have never heard such an seemingly ironic statement about Bush's political life. What did the religious right in Texas want that Bush did not? What did they perhaps rightly dislike in Bush that the nationwide religious right has not? Please, I'd like to know. In any case, conventional wisdom that Rove is just another smart campaign manager is disturbing to me. Where is the outrage over his part in this administration's fascistic attitude? In any case, He LOST the 2000 election, and relied heavily on 9/11, cheap nationalism, and gay bashing to win in 2002 and 2004. Without 9/11 and the Supreme Court overriding the electoral outcome, Bush would have never won the first time or, failng that, won again.
Re: Austin. I'm sick of hearing GOP GOP GOP repeated a hundred thousand times. I don't know what you call this, bias, prejudice, obstinacy, but I am repulsed, indeed I shudder, everytime I see, hear, or give any consequence to the Republicans. I believe honesty is a good thing, which deserves recognition: I think they're simply disgusting in too many ways. Generally, I mean, and this applies to the vast majority of them: Stupid, ill-begotten, slaves to ignorance and false pretenses, lying, selfish, manipulative, inconsiderate, rationally-blind, barbaric apathy toward life outside their limited scope of obsolete ideas. We're watching them fall apart because they're an inferior tribe of idiots. And that's the way evolution works.
anyone clear on why Halperin stepped away from his job as ABC's Political Director to doing politcial analyst work for them instead?
anyone clear on why Halperin stepped away from his job as ABC's Political Director to doing politcial analyst work for them instead?
Re: Paul Burka's assertion that Karl Rove created a permanent Republican majority in Texas. Oh, please, he did no such thing. Texas has been philosophically Republican for a hundred years. But because the Democratic party traditionally controlled politics since the Civil War, we had conservative Democrats and liberal Democrats (and a nearly non-existent Rebpulican party). Governor John Connally was a Democrat in 1963 when he rode with JFK in the motorcade in Dallas. He switched to the GOP in the 1970s. Bill Clements was elected governor as a Republican in 1979, the first Republican governor since the Civil War. This legitimized the Republican party in Texas almost overnight. Since then, the GOP has been very successful, mostly because all those conservative Democrats changed to the GOP (where they should have always been). All this happened long before Karl Rove came along. The Bush gubernatorial campaign did solidify some GOP strongholds, but hardly any huge change and far from permanent. Let's not give credit where it is not due.